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Combat the Birther craziness, part two

I don’t think everyone who thinks President Barack Obama hasn’t been completely open with the American people with regards to his birth certificate is crazy or a loon. The problem is that the crazies have latched onto this topic and they will not let go. Also, the MSM cannot or will not do its job, which is to investigate. (We could get evidence of illegal wiretapping but not Obama’s BC.) It is the same people who believe that Clinton killed Vince Foster and 30 or 40 others, depending on which e-mail you read. In my mind, Obama should explain why he does or does not have the long form of his birth certificate. That’s it. He should announce it in Hawaii while standing in front of the hospital in which he was born. He should take one of those knuckleheads from Fox News to look at the document and be done with it.

On the other hand, this will not go away. I don’t believe that if Obama were to deliver his birth certificate (the long form) that the crazies would go away. They have a list of stuff (see the bottom of this post) that they want to see. The list is getting longer every day, like why did Hilliary Clinton go to Kenya?  Was it to look for Obama’s “real” birth certificate?

BTW, although I believe that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and that he should come clean, I don’t think that he will. This is disappointing, especially because I thought we were ushering in a new era of openness. How much information should we expect our president to give us before taking office. Birth certificate. What about medical records? McCain’s records were incomplete and viewed by a select number of reporters. Is that okay? How about school records and papers? Where does it end?

Below is a continuation of the Salon.com article that I referenced before.

Myth 6: Obama traveled to Pakistan using an Indonesian passport

When the Birthers tire of arguing that Obama wasn’t born in the U.S., they take another tack. At some point during the time he spent in Indonesia growing up, they say, Obama must have taken Indonesian citizenship or renounced his American citizenship or both. As proof, they cite the trip he took to Pakistan in 1981 with a friend from college, and say the U.S. government had issued a ban on travel by its citizens to the country.

Thing is, there was no travel ban. “We have no record of any travel ban between America and Pakistan during that period or since,” a State Department spokesman told Weigel. And FactCheck.org’s Brooks Jackson notes that the New York Times printed an article about travel to Pakistan on June 14, 1981, which said Americans just needed a visa to travel there. Two months later, the U.S. consul general in Lahore, Pakistan, wrote to the Times to say he’d “welcome an influx of Americans.”

Myth 7: Obama hasn’t released his birth certificate

Here, we’ll admit, Uncle Floyd has a point — at least a limited one. Strictly speaking, what Obama’s campaign released wasn’t called a birth certificate; it’s a certification of live birth. But there’s no functional difference between the two: Ask Hawaii for your birth certificate, and you’ll get the certification of live birth back.

“Our Certificate of Live Birth is the standard form, which was modeled after national standards that are acceptable by federal agencies and organizations,” Okubo told the Honolulu Advertiser. “With that form, you can get your passport or your soccer registration or your driver’s license.”

There’s been some confusion about whether the original even still exists, but that’s now been cleared up. Okubo told the Advertiser that in 2001 the state’s paper documents were put into an electronic form, but “any paper data prior to that still exists … we have backups for all of our backups.”

Myth 8: If Obama would just release his birth certificate, he could end all this

So why hasn’t the state of Hawaii released the original paper document? By law, the state can’t release Obama’s birth records without his OK. State law says that the document can only be released to or “inspect[ed]” by someone with a “direct and tangible” interest. (Though, again, except for “permit[ting] inspection,” the law refers to the release of copies and certified copies, not the original record.)

But let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that Obama could get the original paper document out of its undisclosed Hawaiian location and show it to reporters. Shouldn’t he? Maybe not. He’s already released a completely legal form of proof of his birthplace; to cave in to the Birthers’ demands now would legitimize them. It would also likely lead to a wave of stories asking why the change in stance had happened, and what had taken so long.

The truth is that it was the original release of the certification of live birth that kicked off the Birther movement to begin with. And some of its leaders wouldn’t cease their quest even if they were given the original birth certificate — along with a video showing Obama being born, lei already around his neck.

Conspiracy theorists cling to their theories in the face of all evidence, and in this case the groundwork for disputing an original birth certificate has already been laid. In October of 2008, Rush Limbaugh suggested that Obama’s trip to Hawaii to see his dying grandmother might really have been made in order to do some quick forgery. Limbaugh’s fellow talk radio host Michael Savage jumped on that bandwagon, too.

Plus, the Birthers have a long list of other demands. Here’s one sent out by Gary Kreep, who’s representing Alan Keyes in his lawsuit challenging Obama’s eligibility. Read it, and abandon all hope:

  • Actual long-form birth certificate (NOT an easily-forged electronic copy of a short-form document that is not even officially accepted in Hawaii)
  • Passport files
  • University of Chicago Law School scholarly articles
  • Harvard Law Review articles
  • Harvard Law School records
  • Columbia University records
  • Columbia University senior thesis, “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament”
  • Occidental College records, including financial aid that he may have received
  • Punahou School records, where Mr. Obama attended from the fifth grade until he finished high school
  • Noelani Elementary School records, where Barack Obama attended kindergarten (according to the Hawaii Department of Education, students must submit a birth certificate to register — but parents may bring a passport or student visa if the child is from a foreign country)
  • Complete files and schedules of his years as an Illinois state senator from 1997 to 2004
  • Obama’s client list from during his time in private practice with the Chicago law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Gallard
  • Illinois State Bar Association records
  • Baptism records
  • Obama/Dunham marriage license
  • Obama/Dunham divorce documents
  • Soetoro/Dunham marriage license
  • Soetero/Dunham adoption records

O'Reilly takes credit

A friend of mine is somehow convinced that Bill O’Reilly is a moderate voice of reason. So, in order to convince this friend that O’Reilly is a name-calling “loon,” I am going to post some things over the next several days on Bill O’Reilly. With luck, my friend will see the light.

From TP:

Last month, torture advocate Bill O’Reilly launched a “boycott” of Spain after Spanish prosecutors were considering a probe of Bush administration officials who gave legal cover for torture. “There will be a boycott and there will be ill will towards Spain. This is going to become a huge story and it’s not going to be good for Spain,” he claimed.

Spanish prosecutors have now recommended throwing out the criminal complaint. The news elicited a declaration of mission accomplished from O’Reilly last night. Discussing the investigations with Megyn Kelly, O’Reilly explained the economics behind how his boycott brought down the probe:

O’REILLY: Now, I don’t know whether “The Factor” was a Factor in this decision, but I am taking full credit for it.

KELLY: Shocker.

O’REILLY: You bet. Because Spain, according to The Economist magazine, is pushing 19 percent unemployment. We were going to boycott Spain. That means millions of Americans would have at least been exposed to the idea. And they folded pretty darn fast. We started this last week. Today no mas. … Well, we’re taking full credit for that, ladies and gentlemen, whether deserved or not.

Kelly seemed skeptical but still played along. “There is some travel from American citizens. It would have hurt a little. Maybe that played a role in it. I don’t know,” she said. Watch it:

Fox Nation is also touting the meme today: “Spain Caves After O’Reilly Boycott Threat.” Of course, the brash comments aren’t surprising from O’Reilly, considering his massive ego about his show’s alleged influence. Last year, when Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) was behind in the polls, O’Reilly told his viewers that McCain was behind because he wasn’t appearing on The Factor. Some others:

O’Reilly saved Christmas: Producer Jesse Watters bragged in December: “We saved Christmas last year.”

O’Reilly brought down the Seattle Post-Intelligencer: Seattle’s “nutty-left newspaper” went under after O’Reilly’s staff ambushed publisher Roger Oglesby.

O’Reilly lowered gas prices: After oil execs supposedly artificially raised oil prices after Katrina, O’Reilly said they “got scared. Because of my reporting and the reporting of some others.”

O’Reilly brought down O.J.: Responding to the cancellation of Fox’s interview with O.J. Simpson, O’Reilly said, “It’s a culture-war victory. The folks did it; and I am the messenger.”

It is surprising that O’Reilly is so heavily promoting his “boycott” of Spain. When ThinkProgress launched campaign urging O’Reilly’s advertisers stop supporting his show, O’Reilly said on March 27 that our tactics were “Stalinist” and “certainly not Democratic.”

O’Reilly may be declaring victory too early. Reuters reports that Judge Garzon of Spain “is def[ying] pressure to drop the case.”