Presidents and Education

Posted on: November 3rd, 2010 by ecthompson md No Comments

Every president since Eisenhower has talked about education and how it is important in moving America forward. Many of the presidents passed "major initiatives" supporting education. Measuring the effects of these initiatives is somewhat difficult. One of the best examples is president George W. Bush's No Child Left Behind law. President Bush increased annualized spending per student and increased testing. The question is did that help education? Are our kids learning more? I don't know. We can download test scores over the last 40 years. This shows a general trend towards an increase in the test scores. In theory, this should be good. This should be good… unless the teachers are now teaching to the test.

If you look at an annualized change in federal spending per student, as a whole, Democrats spend more than Republicans. I'm not sure what this says. I know that during the 1950s President Eisenhower pushed education in something he called "dynamic conservatism." He established a cabinet level position for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare. Out of all modern presidents, Ronald Reagan spent the least. Ronald Reagan called the Department of Education (established under President Carter) a "new bureaucratic boondoggle."

All I know is it doesn't seem that any president since Eisenhower has really gotten their arms around education (with the possible exception of LBJ). There's a recent story in the New York Times which noted that the fastest supercomputer in the world now belongs to China. This distinction is something that America has held for many years. On one hand, I believe that the rest of the world targeting America have caught up. On the other hand, I don't think we are running the race as hard as we did in the 1940s and '50s and '60s, when we were deathly afraid of the Soviet Union. I just know it doesn't seem to matter who's president. We need to do better. Any politician who stands up and tells you we need local solutions to our education problem does not understand where we are. This a national problem. Our national security depends on our producing smart young men and women. Solutions to global warming won't just spontaneously happen. Somebody's going to have to think about it. Somebody's going have to come up with an innovative solution. The country that figures out how to use energy more efficiently and becomes less dependent on oil will lead in this century. I don't know much about you, but I prefer leading to following.

(Some of the facts in this post come from the book, Presimetrics.)

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Utah is one of the states that tried to ram vouchers through without asking the people. When the people protested and was put on the ballot it was defeated. So the charters are being built. They do not have to follow rules of the school districts. The kids do not get tested like the public schools so it is hard to tell if the kids are learning. http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/50543652-82/schools-charter-state-audit.html.csp But when anyone can open a school and get the money what are we really getting? The kids need standards it shouldn't matter if it is a union or not. It should be based on how the kids turn out but in a fair way. No child left behind is not the answer either. Our legislature just broke up one of our largest school districts(without letting everyone vote on it) which raised the property taxes on the rest of the county by 50 per year. They had to set up new administrations for the new district. Which to me is a waste of money. Why do you have to have so many different districts. You multiply adminstration costs.

Education is very important. That's why it's vital that money not be wasted on extra layers of bureaucracy. It doesnt take an act of Congress to teach a kid to read, to comprehend what he reads and to learn math. It's those basics that are the foundation for all further education, and it's those basics that unionized schools are failing to teach. Teachers are more interested in politics and padding their purse. I live 2 blocks from an elementary school. When I moved here 14 years ago, the school had just been chosen as a pilot program for an all day kindergarten. The local press interviewed the principal and asked, "so, since you'll have these kids all day now, instead of just half a day, what extra things are they going to learn?" Replied the educational expert, "we aren't going to teach anything extra. That's not why we're doing this. Our kindergarten teachers wanted full time jobs instead of part time. That's why we're doing it" true story

nice anecdote. Do you have a reference? So, according to your analysis the problem is teachers. Teachers, to paraphrase your comment, are more interested in lining their own pockets than teaching students.I might be wrong but it seems like there are better ways to line your pockets than teaching. With a high school teacher making an average salary of a little over $44,000 a year (http://www.payscale.com/research/US/All_K-12_Teachers/Salary) it would seem that they are doing an awful job at lining their pockets. Finally, if you have any data to support that unionized schools do worse than nonunionized schools that I'm willing to accept your argument but I suspect there's no data to support that. Since students were learning in the 60s and 70s when teachers were unionized and they're not learning now, maybe there's more to it than simply being a member of a union.

This incident happened in 1996 when very few newspapers (especially small ones) were online. The small suburban newspaper that published this story has been out of business for several years, unfortunately. I don't think their publication ever made it to the web. I'm sure there are probably copies in our local library, but that's about it, I'm guessing. I'm not opposed to teachers making more money. But simply padding the payroll does nothing to help the kids. I think it should be obvious that extra layers of bureaucracy simply increase costs. We don't need a federal dept of education when schools are (or should be) entirely run at the local level. That extra money could actually go to teachers salaries. Extra bureaucracy includes not only top heavy administrative levels, but union bureaucracy as well. I'm surprised that you are so against insurance companies which 'add no value to health care' but are so defensive of unions which certainly add no value to education. Insurance companies facilitate transactions that would probably never take place otherwise. Expensive operations get paid for and lives are saved because the patient had insurance. So insurance does play an important role in delivering health care. Nothing that a union does adds any knowledge to a child. The union drains away money from teachers salaries that would increase their take home pay and make it easier to stay in the profession. Unions add no value whatsoever to education.

Unions - potentially - add much value to education. Unions prevent stupid laws from taking effect which encourage teachers to do stupid things. When teachers do smart things rather than stupid things children learn more. Case in point: A significant number (not most, not all) of teachers in California cheat on behalf of students in order to inflate school score sheets. They feel the necessity to do this in order to protect their jobs. A bad school score score sheet can directly lead to a tenured teacher being fired. Doesn't matter that the child's parents don't support the kid, doesn't matter that English is not the student's primary language. The students in the school must produce a certain mean score on a standardized test. A strong union would have prevented this system. At my child's school - one of the best public schools in the state - fully 3 weeks a year are dedicated to passing the STAR test. 3 Weeks used for THIS, rather than actual education. A strong union could have given my child 3 additional weeks of real education. A strong union, not only "lines the pockets" of those fantastically rich teachers. It also insures that resources are consistently and fairly allocated to the teacher's classroom. Teachers shouldn't have to buy supplies for their students. It happens all of the time here. Another case in point: Teacher histories are very easy to track in a unionized system. Not so easy to track in a free-for-all world. I feel much safer with my kids being taught by a known entity than someone who drifted in unchecked from out-of-state. "I think it should be obvious that extra layers of bureaucracy simply increase costs. " Let's dump the pejorative "extra". Let's change "bureaucracy" to "management". And finally, let's stop talking about teachers- let's talk about any business. Is this obvious: "I think it should be obvious that layers of management simply increase costs". Adios, WalMart, Microsoft, Toyota...

The difference is that with Walmart, Toyota, et al you have a choice whether to pay them (buy their product) or not. With tax supported schools you dont have a choice, you are a paying customer. So, if you're a Toyota customer, by all means tell them that they are too top heavy. I couldnt care less because I dont buy Toyota products. The abuses you point to and claim that 'a union would've prevented' all took place in public schools with unions that have mandatory membership, correct? Your thesis that 'a union would've prevented this' is disproved by your own statement. You may claim, 'well the union isn't strong enough'. They union has the power to force teachers to become dues paying members whether they want to or not, how much more power do you want to give them? Should they have the power to force teachers to vote Democrat? The union isnt there to protect/enhance the learning process, it's there to protect the teacher's job. Therefore, the union would not have prevented the grade inflation you talked about. Why would it? You can claim that no educating is taking place while students prepare for annual testing but that's simply nonsense. Finally, you mention tracking teacher histories. One could only wish that unions weren't at the forefront of protecting the jobs of teachers who get caught having sex with students. But that's exactly what the unions do -- they protect the teacher, not the student. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=39783 SEXTRA CREDIT The big list: Female teachers with students Most comprehensive account on Internet of women predators on campus