But as Obama pointed out it is the framework for future healthcare. Are you going to tell me the people that have unlimited coverage for their cancer, the millions of kids who now can have coverage are going to repeal this law. It can be ammended. There is no way it will be repealed it would take 2/3 of the senate to override it. They didn't support in the POLLS. Now how many people did they ask? Do you know? Did they ask 10 and 6 of them opposed it. Polls don't mean much. What they really need to ask is the Insurance companies to report how many people they have added to policies. Wouldn't you think that would be a better indication if people agreed with it or not?

Obamacare should be repealed and start the process over with some sanity and honesty. Democratic claims of '50 million Americans without access to health care' should be exposed for the lies that they are. 50 million people without health insurance. Who are they? Look at the census numbers http://www.census.gov/prod/2010pubs/p60-238.pdf 9.9 million aren't even citizens of the USA at all. 19.8 million make in excess of $50,000 per year ( I buy insurance for a large family on a lot less each year, so don't tell me it cant be done) 15.4 million make less than $25,000 and probably many of them ALREADY qualify for Medicaid or Medicare. 8.9 million of them are in the 18-24 age group and another 11.9 million of them are in the 25-34 age group. These age brackets are notorious for having large numbers of healthy single people who have chosen not to buy insurance because they dont think they need it right now. And most of them are right, they could save money paying their very few medical expenses out of pocket. Obviously there is overlap in these groups, but I think you get the point. There never was a crisis of '50 million Americans without access to health care'. We should start over, using realistic numbers and some honesty and humility from Democrats. Polls consistently showed over 80% of Americans were satisfied with their health coverage BEFORE Obamacare passed http://www.dakotavoice.com/2009/03/poll-most-americans-satisfied-with-health-care-system/. Obama set out to 'fix' a system that wasnt broken. The few gaps in it were mostly covered by state operated high risk pools which would cover persons that health insurors couldn't.

So then why can't it be altered and leave it alone for the people that need no lifetime caps and not getting kicked off for pre existing conditions. Why can't it be tweeked? How can you tell the people who have or need cancer treatment that they can now get it. Or organ transplant surgery. How can you go back and tell them sorry you have to die again? It just needs changed in some areas like being able to buy prescriptions from Canada. Not extending the soon to expire patents for some of the most distributive drugs by 5 years. Put limits on doctor malpractice. There are lots of bills that the republicans could be writing to put before the committees and get them moving that would alter this bill. You don't need to repeal it entirely.

Jow said: "Obama set out to 'fix' a system that wasnt broken. The few gaps in it were mostly covered by state operated high risk pools which would cover persons that health insurors couldn't." Amazing. I recall GOP candidate McCain thought it was broken along with just about everyone else. The only disagreement was how to fix it. Do you make these things up as you go along?

It's good to see that liars like Alan Grayson appear to be destined to lose re-election. http://www.sunshinestatenews.com/story/poll-daniel-webster-beats-down-angry-alan-grayson Grayson became famous for his fibs like 'the Republican plan is Dont get sick but if you do get sick, die quickly' and also whoppers like ' 44,000 die each year because they lack health insurance'. At least multimillionaire Grayson is unlikely to be hurt much by the damage he and fellow Dems inflicted on the economy in the name of 'fixing it'. The recession actually ended in mid 2009 before any of Obama's policies had even had any effect. http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE68J2JJ20100920

For the past week, bad news has been mounting for Grayson, first in the form of a lawsuit that re-raised rumors that he's behind a mysterious "Tea Party" in Florida -- which real movement tea partiers say is a hoax designed to split the GOP vote. Second -- and potentially worse for the first-term Grayson -- was the release of a public poll earlier this week that showed Grayson trailing Republican nominee Daniel Webster by seven points. Grayson categorically dismissed the poll, which was published in the right-leaning Sunshine State News and was conducted by a firm owned by Republican pollster Susquehanna. "This is a consistently biased pollster that comes up with polling that is not believable," he said. Grayson pointed to the internal poll he released last month showing him ahead of Republican nominee Webster by 13 points. from TPM: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/10/alan-grayson-that-poll-is-bogus-im-winning.php

Joe - It is like you are going out of way just to argue. Grayson used the number 44,000 because it has some scientific validity. A paper that was published in the American Journal of public health used that number. Here's the abstract - http://ajph.aphapublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/99/12/2289 The number has been used in other scientific papers like this one in the NEJM - http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp0910064. So, it isn't as you suggested that he simply pulled a number out of his butt, instead this number came from a respected medical journal. Now, you may argue that the paper wasn't valid. Okay, what are your reasons for thinking that way? Finally, yes, the recession did in 2009. Obama's financial reforms started January of 2008. So, it is not true that has policies did not have "any effect." then again, the point isn't whether a bunch of economists thought the recession was over or not. The point is Obama's policies help stop the hemorrhaging of jobs. That's the point.

Have you forgotten that VP Cheney said public opinion has no bearing on how to govern? So now the right ignores the words of wisdom from their own hero.

You didn't address the complexity of this issue. What exactly was the CNN poll question? If as the polling shows above, the majority of people want x should you then scrap the idea once the polling changes? You are trying to paper over the issues to make your point. Your point is that you hate healthcare reform and that you are looking for any reason, anything, any scrap of data to try to support your claim.

The people said they wanted x and the Congress gave them z. Comprende? There never was a 'crisis with 50 million Americans without access to healthcare'. Just admit the truth. It'll be good for you. Over 80% of Americans like their current coverage but you want to overturn the whole system and institute single payer so that you can fix a 'crisis' that didnt and doesnt exist. Most of the uninsured were either noncitizens or were uninsured by choice (i.e. they had the money but chose to buy other things, or they had Medicaid/Medicare available but chose not to sign up or they were young and healthy and didnt want to spend the money for what they didnt think they need) . You can argue that some of them made a stupid choice. That's possible, but it was their choice. I thought Democrats were all pro-choice? a link to the CNN poll question is here http://blog.heritage.org/2010/03/22/new-cnn-poll-59-oppose-obamacare/ You could learn to use google, you know. It's not that hard. I don't 'hate healthcare reform'. That's a bogus argument. I disagree with the Democrat version of healthcare reform. That's the same problem you have understanding the opinion of the American people at large, you assume that when they say they 'favor healthcare reform' that it automatically means they favor anything the Democrats offer under the label of 'healthcare reform'. Americans are smarter than that. Just calling something 'reform' doesnt mean that they will like it.

yes, googling is easy. I pulled up the exact same polling. I find it interesting that you continue to quote it like it is gospel. In the same polling, who you trust more to handle major changes in the country's health care system – overwhelmingly the polling showed Barack Obama. When asked, who you trust more to handle major changes in the country's health care system – Democrats or Republicans – the polling showed 45% versus 39% favoring the Democrats. The point is your argument is porous at best. Americans were confused by the legislation and by the misdirection. This is clear. Yet, you still have an answer the basic question. You point to this study by CNN which is nice. Yet, when Barack Obama took office Americans favored health-care reform by more than a two to one margin. I showed you, in that graph, that Americans for a 10 year period favored health-care reform. so, during the middle of writing legislation, should the Democrats have just thrown in the towel because Republicans had lied about the legislation? I don't have a problem understanding the American will. Americans were clearly deceived by Republicans. Republicans lied and Americans, for some reason, believed it. Well, I really do know the reason, it is because the boob tube pushed the lies over and over again. Finally, don't tell me how smart Americans are. Really. Time and time again, Americans have proven that they can be deceived by their politicians. As usual, I appreciate your comments.

I see. So your argument is "Americans are very smart for 10 years to want health care reform and suddenly they turn stupid when they don't agree with Obama's version of reform" In other words, you cite the polls when it suits you, and ignore the polls (blaming Americans for suddenly being gullible) when the polls dont support you. Why dont you just admit that Americans wanted a different kind of change than what Obama offered? They liked their coverage, and wanted to make sure insurance was available and affordable for others IF they wanted it. Americans have never favored forcing everyone to buy insurance whether they want it or not. Americans dont approve of using the IRS to force people to pay a private company. It's unconstitutional and everyone knows it. Threats of jail time and huge fines are not what the American people ever supported. But apparently you do.